It got pretty exciting for a bit. At that range, I would have loved to have had my 45-70 Marlin in hand, with some strong loads: Regards, Guy . Reactions: CaptDak48 ... Had to turn into a 444 vs 45-70 thing of courseš ... All the rest were shot with 444 Marlins, 45-70 govt, 30-06, 20, and 12 gauge slugs. All with great shot placement. They ...DARNE. Vous donnez tout deux les performances du 450 marlin (qui. S'apparente a un 45-70 magnum) qui lui se rapproche du 444 marlin niveau performance. Le 444 marlin c'est en hornady Ftx 265 grs. V0 709 m/s et E0 4312 j, V100 591 m/s et E100 2996 j. Le 45-70 c'est en hornady Ftx 325 grs.However, the Remington Managed Recoil .30-30 125 grain/2175 fps MV (100 yard KPS 12.9) and .357 Magnum (Rifle) 158 grain/1830 fps MV (100 yard KPS 12.7) loads are probably better guides to the minimum practical killing power for Class 2 game with more modern cartridges.Uberti 1874 Special Sharps Case Hardened Lever Action Rifle - 45-70 Government - 32in. $2,279.99. Out of Stock. Ship To Store Ship to FFL. Add To Cart. Compare. 1. The .45-70 Government is a cartridge specially designed for hunting large and dangerous game at close distances. It has been used to take down deer, moose, bear, feral hogs, and more.Aug 30, 2021 Ā· 45-70 Gov vs 450 Trajectory. Overall, the 45-70 is a flatter shooting cartridge. However, both of them drop considerably (when compared to the flattest-shooting of those currently tested, the 444 Marlin). At 200 yards the .45-70 shot with the above-mentioned stats, the drop is 6.5ā³. Also not shown here, is that the most popular weight 45-70 ... The 265-grain .444 Marlin load has a muzzle velocity that is almost 300 fps faster than the 325-grain .45-70 load, it generates more energy out to 300 yards and, when sighted in three inches high at 100 yards, drops three inches less at 200 yards than the .45-70.Grants of $10K or more from DoorDash and Govt. programs are looking to provide funds for qualified small business owners. From natural disasters to economic downturns and post-pand...If youāre struggling to afford a phone or a phone plan, you may be wondering if there are any options available to you. Luckily, the government offers a program that provides free ...45-70 Gov't vs. 444 Marlin. JD338. Oct 23, 2019. #1. JD338. Range Officer. Staff member. Nov 4, 2004. 24,337. 6,642. Ok guys and gals, Both the 45-70 and the ā¦Many businesses have already applied for and received funding to cover extra expenses or losses. But the work isnāt over. State and local governments are still working hard to supp...45-70 Gov vs 450 Marlin Trajectory. These two cartridges have roughly the same trajectory. At some point between 200 and 300 yards is where a major shift takes place, with the 450 Marlin winning. At 300 yards the 45-70 drops 27.8 inches, while the 450 Marlin drops less at 21.3 inches.220combat. 5539 posts Ā· Joined 2008. #2 Ā· Mar 23, 2011. The 45-70 is the most powerful of these cartridges, and as you stated it does cost the most. If you are a handloader the 45-70 is great. Otherwise, the 44 mag or 45 Colt are very close to each other, especially in a carbine. Also, feel free to head over to the new members area and ...It got pretty exciting for a bit. At that range, I would have loved to have had my 45-70 Marlin in hand, with some strong loads: Regards, Guy . Reactions: CaptDak48 ... Had to turn into a 444 vs 45-70 thing of courseš ... All the rest were shot with 444 Marlins, 45-70 govt, 30-06, 20, and 12 gauge slugs. All with great shot placement. They ...With the .45-70 all deer fell where they were hit. I attributed the difference to the size and shape of the .458ā Hornady 300 HP with its broad flat nose versus the much smaller meplat on the .375s. Impact velocities were very close. Recoil was somewhat greater with the .45-70.The .45-70 Government has quite the bullet range in comparison to the .444 Marlin; bullets will run from 250-grains all the way up to the behemoth 600-grain slugs, with a slew of choices in between. ā¦Oct 15, 2020 Ā· The 45-70 isnāt too far behind, topping out at 28,000 PSI. Muzzle velocities are another interesting juxtaposition between the two cartridges. 450 Bushmaster velocities hang in the 2,200 FPS range and max out somewhere around 2,800 FPS depending on the load. 450 Bushmaster. Muzzle Velocity. First, it usually produces less recoil than the .45-70. Recoil can vary widely from load to load, but the .45-70 usually produces greater than 25 ft.-lbs. of recoil while the .450 Bushmaster lives in the 20 ft.-lb. range. Shooting a bolt-action .450 Bushmaster with a muzzle brake feels about like shooting a bolt-action .308 Win.If not the 450M and .444. Reason is the .450M brass is an orphan unto itself because of the thickness of the belt. The 45-70 actually has more case capacity than the .450M and the .444 is a monster anyway you look at it. All three can develope a flinch if you don't do your part. If you load for a 30-30 click.Apr 27, 2005 Ā· Hello folks...new to this forum and will be new to reloading. I'm trying to decide whether to purchase a .444 Marlin or a .45-70 Gov't Marlin lever gun. Part of my decision will be based on availibility /cost of relaoding supplies...so I am interested to hear your opinions. Both calibers seem... My Marlin 444 has a limbsaver and is comfortable to shoot. I also have a Winchester 94 Big Bore Black Shadow, also in 444 Marlin. ... 2004 JM Marlin 1895 GS 45-70/Vortex Diamondback HP 2-8 Ruger SS GP100 357m 4.2" Weihrauch HW-30 .177 Air Rifle. ... 336 The 45/70 Govt. The .35 Remington New Member Introductions 1894. Top ā¦Out of the muzzle, the .444 Marlin is flying 275 ft/s faster than the .45-70 Government. However, by just 100 yards, this advantage has already narrowed to 242 ft/s. As we leave their effective range at 300 yards, the .444 Marlin is flying 155 ft/s faster than the .45-70 Government.The Marlin 1895, now offered by Ruger, is a major step forward in lever-action rifle construction and performance. The wind was a full value (right to left in this case) and save for its rainbow trajectory the performance profile of the .45-70 is very predictable in the area of wind drift. About all I can say is Indian fighters and buffalo ...The 444 Marlin. 444 Marlin vs 45-70 and heavy bullets. Jump to Latest ...In-depth Look at the 444 Marlin. The 444 Marlin was introduced in 1964 by Marlin Firearms Company as a heavy-hitting, lever-action rifle cartridge. The cartridge was designed to be a longer-range alternative to the 45-70 Government cartridge, with similar bullet weights but higher velocities.Even though the .444 Marlin cartridge is similar in size to the .45-70, the .444 works in the smaller, svelter Model 336 action. Thanks to the extra case space, it zips along at 500 fps faster than the .44 Magnum. In fact, this is one of the fastest straight-wall cartridges on the market today.The bear weighed 249 pounds. The smallest black Iāve ever shot. My buddy shot his little bear with 180 grain Nosler ballistic tip out a 300 RUM. The bear hit the ground and tried to get back up but never regained its feet. All the rest were shot with 444 Marlins, 45-70 govt, 30-06, 20, and 12 gauge slugs. All with great shot placement.October 31, 2023. Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc. (NYSE: RGR) is proud to announce the first Ruger-manufactured Marlin® Dark Series lever-action rifle ā the Model 1895ā¢ chambered in 45-70 Govt. "The Marlin Dark Series is the next step for Marlin," said Ruger President and CEO, Chris Killoy.Well, if I'm not entirely mistaken, the model 1895 was introduced in 1895 or 1896 in a number of potent BP calibers, including the .45-70. Other than the square bolt, it looks a great deal like the 1895 that was re-introduced in 1970 and the 444. So some might contend that the 1895 preceeded the 444 by about 70 years, although absent for a time ...Hereās a look at two classic straight-wall cartridges for deer hunting.Marlin brought it out in 1972, when the .45-70 was not exactly a spring chicken. In fact, Marlin themselves had already tried to replace the old buffalo cartridge, when in 1964 they introduced the .444 Marlin. The .444 is a slightly tapered case that uses a bullet of .429 of an inch diameter, and that was part of the problem.Even though the .444 Marlin cartridge is similar in size to the .45-70, the .444 works in the smaller, svelter Model 336 action. Thanks to the extra case space, it zips along at 500 fps faster than the .44 Magnum. In fact, this is one of the fastest straight-wall cartridges on the market today.The .44 Rem. Mag., .357 Mag., .454 Casull, .460 S&W Mag., and .500 S&W Mag. were developed for pistols but are also chambered in long guns. The .45-70 Govt. and the .444 Marlin are old-school lever gun cartridges. The .450 Bushmaster and .350 Legend were released in the last 15 years and can be found in semi-auto and bolt-action rifles.The .45-70 vs. .444 Marlin. Like. Comment. Share. ... All are good but still think .45 LC in ROL is faster and hits harder with more energy and store bought commonly. 4y. First, the 45-70 Government is physically larger than the 450 Bushmaster. Both are straight walled cartridges, but the 45-70 has a longer overall length, a longer case length, and a larger diameter case than the 450 Bushmaster. Specifically, the 45-70 cartridge has an overall length of 2.55ā³ and a 2.105ā³ long case. Typical 45-70 ballistics with modern factory ammo are a 300gr bullet at 2,350fps (3,678 ft-lbs), a 325gr bullet at 2,050fps (3,032 ft-lbs), and a 405gr bullet at 1,330fps (1,591 ft-lbs). The .45-70 Govt is very effective out to around 150 yards with minimal bullet drop, but itās capable of great accuracy and longer range shooting as well.Oct 18, 2007 ... "As you can see,the 45-70 shoots as flat as the 444 Marlin with a 300 grain bullet compared to a 270 grain bullet in the 444 which gives the 45- ...MARLIN® MODEL 1894ā¢ CLASSIC $ 1,239.00; MARLIN MODEL 336ā¢ CLASSIC $ 1,149.00; Top Rated Products. Marlin 336W 30-30 Win Lever-Action Rifle with 3-9x32mm Riflescope $ 539.00; Marlin 60 22LR Police Trade-In Rifle $ 149.00Oct 9, 2022 ... Desert Dog Outdoorsā¢42K views · 12:54 · Go to channel · 444 Marlin vs. 45-70 Govt. Ron Spomer Outdoorsā¢212K views · 11:23 · Go to...8030 posts · Joined 2004. #5 · Dec 20, 2011 (Edited) Which one is stronger isn't the issue, the 444 has a slight advantage, because of the smaller diameter cartridge case and rim. The strength issue only raises it's ugly head because the 45-70 is a blackpowder era cartridge, which means it has way to much case capacity for modern ā¦As energy costs continue to rise, many homeowners are looking for ways to reduce their energy bills. One of the most effective ways to do this is by taking advantage of government ...The Power. The 444 Marlin is a capable cartridge; inside 200 yards, no game animal in North America is safe. Itās comparable to the .45-70 Govt, seen here on the right. Kurt Martonik/Free Range American. The initial 444 Marlin load brought to Remington used a 240-grain .44 Magnum pistol bullet.45-70 Govt: Capacity: 5+1: Stock: Nylon Reinforced Polymer: Barrel Length: 16.17" MSRP: $1,429.00: Availability: Limited Availability: ... Ruger offers consumers almost 800 variations of more than 40 product lines, across both the Ruger and Marlin brands. For almost 75 years, Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. has been a model of corporate and community ...45-70 Gov vs 450 Marlin Trajectory. These two cartridges have roughly the same trajectory. At some point between 200 and 300 yards is where a major shift takes place, with the 450 Marlin winning. At 300 yards the 45-70 drops 27.8 inches, while the 450 Marlin drops less at 21.3 inches. Therefore, the 450 Marlin is the flatter shooting ā¦Apr 27, 2005 Ā· Hello folks...new to this forum and will be new to reloading. I'm trying to decide whether to purchase a .444 Marlin or a .45-70 Gov't Marlin lever gun. Part of my decision will be based on availibility /cost of relaoding supplies...so I am interested to hear your opinions. Both calibers seem... Apr 13, 2024 ... God Family and Guns New 85K views · 12:54. Go to channel · 444 Marlin vs. 45-70 Govt. Ron Spomer Outdoorsā¢212K views · 1:27. Go to channel&nbs...The short answer is 45-70.....or, 444 Marlin. :biggrin: I have rifles chambered in 45-70 and 444 Marlin. I own a revolver chambered in 454 Casull. ... Team 35 rem #561, Team 1894 #380, Team 30-30 win ā¦Think about the 444, only two models left, the SS and XLR, in they would have keep the outfitter it would have helped. the 45-70 has the guide gun, SS, XLR and the Cowboy, plus a stainless guide gun way more to choose from, ā¦Comparatively, out of a 24ā³ barrel with a 142 yard zero and a 325 grain bullet, the 45-70 GOVT has a muzzle velocity of 2,050 with 3,033 pounds of energy. At 100 yards velocity slows to 1,730 feet per second and energy drops to 2,159 pound feet. 444 Marlin VS 45-70 Trajectory.The .44 Rem. Mag., .357 Mag., .454 Casull, .460 S&W Mag., and .500 S&W Mag. were developed for pistols but are also chambered in long guns. The .45-70 Govt. and the .444 Marlin are old-school lever gun cartridges. The .450 Bushmaster and .350 Legend were released in the last 15 years and can be found in semi-auto and bolt-action rifles.However, the Remington Managed Recoil .30-30 125 grain/2175 fps MV (100 yard KPS 12.9) and .357 Magnum (Rifle) 158 grain/1830 fps MV (100 yard KPS 12.7) loads are probably better guides to the minimum practical killing power for Class 2 game with more modern cartridges. The increased velocity on bullets of the same weight means that the .450 Marlin is going to hit a bit harder than the .45-70 Government as well. Out of the muzzle, itās moving with an impressive 540 ft-lbs more energy than the .45-70 Government. At 100 yards, that advantage holds strong at 411 ft-lbs. By 300 yards, the advantage narrows to ... Oct 14, 2019 ... Comments57 ; Unveiling The Hidden Gem: The Powerful Marlin .444 Rifle. River's Gun Kingdom · 44K views ; 444 Marlin vs. 45-70 Govt. Ron Spomer ...Jul 14, 2021 Ā· The 444 has a slight advantage in that it shoots a little flatter and has a higher velocity. It is capable of taking any North American game with the right bullet. Not knocking the 45 70, It is a very good cartridge. But the 444 has nothing to be ashamed of. We may earn a commission for products purchased through links on this pageThe .45-70 vs. .444 Marlin. Like. Comment. Share. ... All are good but still think .45 LC in ROL is faster and hits harder with more energy and store bought commonly. 4y. William Martin. 45/70 Rules. 4y. View more comments.Oct 15, 2020 Ā· The 45-70 isnāt too far behind, topping out at 28,000 PSI. Muzzle velocities are another interesting juxtaposition between the two cartridges. 450 Bushmaster velocities hang in the 2,200 FPS range and max out somewhere around 2,800 FPS depending on the load. 450 Bushmaster. Muzzle Velocity. My Marlin 444 has a limbsaver and is comfortable to shoot. I also have a Winchester 94 Big Bore Black Shadow, also in 444 Marlin. ... 2004 JM Marlin 1895 GS 45-70/Vortex Diamondback HP 2-8 Ruger SS GP100 357m 4.2" Weihrauch HW-30 .177 Air Rifle. ... 336 The 45/70 Govt. The .35 Remington New Member Introductions 1894. Top ā¦Jul 23, 2019 Ā· The Remington Core-Lokt .45-70 Govāt 405 grain SP and Barnes VOR-TX .45-70 Govāt 300 grain TSX FN was a given because this is, after all, a Marlin. Hornady LEVERevolution .45-70 Govāt 325 grain FTX are another must-have for levers and are, in fact, seriously badass rounds for hunting. Dec 11, 2020 ... Comments61 · 444 Marlin vs. 45-70 Govt · 45 70 Ballistics · 12 gauge vs. 45-70 gov't for Bear and Moose Defense in Alaska.444 VS 45-70? This is always decided by the operator. Last edited by American Made; November 2, 2011 at 01:17 PM. November 2, 2011, 04:25 PM ... Marlin .444 Downs Charging Grizzly The debate over how good the .444 is or isn't nearly always gets side tracked by comments of I prefer the 45-70 more. The issue of whether the .444 ā¦The diameter of a .45 Colt cartridge is 0.452 inches (11.4808 millimeters). The diameter of a .444 Marlin cartridge is 0.429 inches (10.8966 millimeters). The .45 Colt cartridge has a larger diameter than the .444 Marlin cartridge by 0.023 inches. The overall length of a cartridge determines how deep a bullet will sit in a case.First, the 45-70 Government is physically larger than the 450 Bushmaster. Both are straight walled cartridges, but the 45-70 has a longer overall length, a longer case length, and a larger diameter case than the 450 Bushmaster. Specifically, the 45-70 cartridge has an overall length of 2.55ā³ and a 2.105ā³ long case.With the .45-70 all deer fell where they were hit. I attributed the difference to the size and shape of the .458ā Hornady 300 HP with its broad flat nose versus the much smaller meplat on the .375s. Impact velocities were very close. Recoil was somewhat greater with the .45-70.45-70 Gov vs 450 Marlin Trajectory. These two cartridges have roughly the same trajectory. At some point between 200 and 300 yards is where a major shift takes place, with the 450 Marlin winning. At 300 yards the 45-70 drops 27.8 inches, while the 450 Marlin drops less at 21.3 inches.The 44 Magnum, on the other hand, is a more versatile cartridge that is suitable for both hunting and self-defense. It is smaller and easier to handle than the 45-70, making it ideal for use in close quarters. The cartridge has less recoil than the 45-70, which makes it more manageable for most shooters. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely. In this video, I compare the 444 Marlin vs. 45-70 Govt to see once and for all who the winner... The Old Testament begins with the creation of Adam and Eve around 4000 B.C. and ends when Nehemiah rebuilds the wall in Jerusalem in 444 B.C. Significant figures in the Old Testame...Klinefelter syndrome is a genetic disorder of the chromosomes affecting males. There is no cure for this condition and it requires lifelong management. At publication, there are no...However, the Remington Managed Recoil .30-30 125 grain/2175 fps MV (100 yard KPS 12.9) and .357 Magnum (Rifle) 158 grain/1830 fps MV (100 yard KPS 12.7) loads are probably better guides to the minimum practical killing power for Class 2 game with more modern cartridges.The 265-grain .444 Marlin load has a muzzle velocity that is almost 300 fps faster than the 325-grain .45-70 load, it generates more energy out to 300 yards and, when sighted in three inches high at 100 yards, drops three inches less at 200 yards than the .45-70.The last five standing traditional lever gun cartridges are the (from left to right) 30-30 Winchester, 357 Magnum, 360 Buckhammer, 44 Magnum, and the 45-70 Government. Richard Mann. We may earn ...TEAM 444 # 595. TEAM ANZMO #51 Marlin 336C 30-30. Marlin 444S. Investarms Hawken .50 cal BP. ... The only thing that rocks about the Government....is the 45/70 ...We may earn a commission for products purchased through links on this pageJan 15, 2007 Ā· The 38-55 is a plesant shooting round. It shines with 250-275 grain bullets. Reloading needs will vary from one rifle to another. My interest is in the target shooting, but whitetails and even black bear would be quite within it's realm. The 45-70, is bigger. It takes more powder. Feb 4, 2018 Ā· Major downsides are the 450 uses a slightly larger bullet vs the 444 Marlin, however, the Marlin loads use the powders and primers I already have while the bushy would require small primers and faster powders than I currently use. And, the bushy headspaces off the case mouth which I don't really like. The Old Testament begins with the creation of Adam and Eve around 4000 B.C. and ends when Nehemiah rebuilds the wall in Jerusalem in 444 B.C. Significant figures in the Old Testame...The .45-70 Government has quite the bullet range in comparison to the .444 Marlin; bullets will run from 250-grains all the way up to the behemoth 600-grain slugs, with a slew of choices in between. ā¦You can see differences between the .30-30 Winchester and the .45-70 Government in the photos below. First, the .45-70 Govt is physically much larger than the .30-30. While the two cartridges have the same maximum authorized overall length of 2.55ā³, the .45-70 Govt uses a larger diameter case than the .30-30.Aug 15, 2016. 1,805. 63. I have to agree with Guy, and others on here, and say there isn't much difference between the 2. They both get around the same velocities with the same bullet weights. The only difference between either, of course, is the .429 bore for the 444, or the .458 bore for the .45-70.#2 · Sep 27, 2015. From the "math", the 45-70 has the potential for more recoil. It has heavier bullets available, although I believe a 444 is capable of higher velocity to some ā¦
444 vs 45-70 I had the choice between a 45-70 long barreled marlin and a model P 444 marlin when I bought mine. Barrel length was the deciding factor as I bought the rifle specifically for close range encounters with dangerous animals after an encounter with some bears in Wyoming. ... 336 The 45/70 Govt. The .35 Remington New Member .... Drudge 2023
Marlin Firearms made big news recently by launching its first rifle since being acquired in 2020 by Sturm, Ruger, and Company: the Marlin Model 1895 SBL chambered in the potent .45-70 Govt., and manufactured in Mayodan, North Carolina. Ruger, as was widely reported, purchased Marlin after the Remington Outdoor ā¦In comparison, a 45 70, zeroed at 142 yards, when used with a 325-grain bullet, has a muzzle velocity of 2,050 ft. per second and muzzle energy of 3033 pounds. At 100 yards, its velocity becomes 1,730 feet per second, and energy reduces to 2,159 pound-feet. You can see that 444 Marlin is 300 fps faster than 45 70. You can see differences between the .30-30 Winchester and the .45-70 Government in the photos below. First, the .45-70 Govt is physically much larger than the .30-30. While the two cartridges have the same maximum authorized overall length of 2.55ā³, the .45-70 Govt uses a larger diameter case than the .30-30. Features. Receiver, lever and trigger guard plate are CNC machined from alloy steel. Barrel is cold hammer-forged which results in ultra-precise rifling that provides exceptional accuracy and longevity. Threaded barrel, with factory-installed radial muzzle brake has a 11/16"-24 pattern to accommodate other barrel accessories.Regulations prohibit federal agencies from providing information both on the evaluation process and on the negotiations to reach an award amount. Out of all the actions the US gove...Well, if I'm not entirely mistaken, the model 1895 was introduced in 1895 or 1896 in a number of potent BP calibers, including the .45-70. Other than the square bolt, it looks a great deal like the 1895 that was re-introduced in 1970 and the 444. So some might contend that the 1895 preceeded the 444 by about 70 years, although absent for a time ...444 Marlin. All of these excellent attributes are further enhanced in the 444 Marlin, designed from the outset as a lethal lever-gun cartridge. Initially offered by Marlin in 1964, to fill the void left by .45-70 Government when it was (temporarily) not available in new lever-actions, the 444 Marlin resembles a longer, more powerful .44 Magnum.The 45/70 Govt. 45-70 vs Nilgai Bull. Jump to ... Team 444 Member# 184. Save Share. Like. J. jhaffner202. ... Marlin 1895 STBL 45/70 Marlin 1894 CB 45 LC Marlin 336 30-30 Pedersoli Sharps 45/70 Bond Defender 45 LC Springfield 1911 Stainless loaded 45 ACP 3 Great Western II 45 LC SAAMany businesses have already applied for and received funding to cover extra expenses or losses. But the work isnāt over. State and local governments are still working hard to supp...If youāre struggling to afford a phone or a phone plan, you may be wondering if there are any options available to you. Luckily, the government offers a program that provides free ...Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear.Nov 3, 2023 Ā· While the classic .45-70 Government cartridge is a favorite, you should not overlook the .444 Marlin cartridge. A well thought out and modern design, the āTriple 4ā is capable of excellent accuracy and, with the right loads, able to drop any game animal in North America. .